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Post by sil53r » Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:49 pm

Darryl wrote:I'm really lousy at design, so you guys figure it out. I'm only making suggestions...LOL.

No, it's a nice idea, Darryl! But... Am I the only one that spots a close resemblance to the Ubuntu logo in it?

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Post by Darryl » Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:43 am

No, it's a nice idea, Darryl! But... Am I the only one that spots a close resemblance to the Ubuntu logo in it?


yes it's similiar, but I would also think that Joomla's logo is just as similiar if not more so, since they are recognizably based on humans.

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Post by snafu » Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:31 am

Darryl wrote:But... Am I the only one that spots a close resemblance to the Ubuntu logo in it?

yes, and somewhat "star treck" :-)
but thats ok..

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Post by carl_galloway » Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:49 am

nothing wrong with star trek, bloody good show, and it goes back to the sixties so appeals to all age groups :grinning wildly:

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Post by yellowled » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:12 am

I'm a little late, but anyway: why green? I realise it's some (in my opinion) weird webdesign trend to use green with any color it does not (again, in my opinion) match very well with, but as far as I remember, the color for s9y was always blueish/greyish?

Moreover, Carl's new default theme does not feature green at all and since new users will probably see that theme first ...

I like the original logo on the mockup page, but the green basically hurts my eyes :)

(However, that might be just because there's a German proverb which does not translate very well and says something like "green with blue is a combination for pigs" :wink:)

Anyway, if you want to go with the mockup logo, I'd like to suggest a much darker green or using some other color from the new default theme, maybe orange or light blue.

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Post by snafu » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:22 am

Image

apart from the color (is there already a color scheme for s9y? sort of corporate design? [that will be a nice work to do, and i would be happy to help there]) this logo version is more reduced, no arrows (they where somewhat agressive to mee too).

it is so simple, that it works well as favicon
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if you look closely, you will be able to find the white s, the green 9 and the y too ;-)

YellowLed wrote:Moreover, Carl's new default theme does not feature green at all and since new users will probably see that theme first ...

where to find?

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Post by yellowled » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:35 am

snafu wrote:
YellowLed wrote:Moreover, Carl's new default theme does not feature green at all and since new users will probably see that theme first ...

where to find?


http://themes.s9y.org/ of course :) (Choose "Serendipity v3.0" in the template dropdown in the upper left corner if it's not already selected)

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Post by garvinhicking » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:41 am

I must say that even though snafu's logo version is much appreciated and good feedback, but I don't really like it as the new logo.

The reason is, that our current logo is not understandable, it does not deliver. The simplified logo from snafu does work as infinity symbol, but IMHO it does no longer propagate as an Atom. It is not really recognizable, and would again lead people into confusion. Which is why I think David's current logo is better, because it IS recognizable. Everyone see's it's an atom.

About the "Why not a globe?" discussion: We've had this also in our internal discussion. Mainly I rejected this because a globe is so plain and so boring, that I didn't want to have it as a logo. The globe is used in so many logos and has no "second meaning", like the atom which relates to our plugin concept and the "small sparkle that creates everything"...

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Post by yellowled » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:48 am

garvinhicking wrote:the atom which relates to our plugin concept and the "small sparkle that creates everything"...


Hmmm. Just a spontaneous idea while reading this ... how about some drop falling into water and spreading waves? Goes well with the color blue, too ... :)

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Post by snafu » Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:31 pm

yes, you are right, this logo is a graphic symbol, which is so much reduced, that it is not more an image.

garvinhicking wrote:Everyone see's it's an atom.

i didn't know that the atom was thought to be the unique symbol of s9y (i had the atom reader in the back of my mind and thought of an double - meaning)

so let's think this way, ok..

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The new logo

Post by jonithrush » Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:33 pm

I thought I would add my point of view here for what it is worth. I am not anywhere near as expert in the field of your code stuff etc as everyone else. I was recommended S9y by a friend for building my first personal website and it is very good but can I add the following points I consider to be of importance.

When I first visited your site I thought I had come to the wrong place, unlike word press and net news wire etc, other sites I had visited it was badly laid out and not attractive to a non technical individual like myself doing my own personal website - the type of person you describe on earlier pages. I think the new logo and layout is streets ahead and much improved.

I have to say however for what it is worth I am head of marketing for a very large company in the UK and if we made our decisions in this way we would never get anything done. I understand that you are trying to involve people with it bieng open source etc etc, but it should have been done in a similar way to the voting competition was done a couple of months ago. I don't actually think you will be able to sift out all the various different viewpoints and make any use of them. My view on the logo is favourable, but what is more important is in my opinion decide on the logo stick to it, keep consistency thoughout and market it thereon. Remeber aswell this branding is more for the attraction of new clients, get people who are thinking of a weblog system to stay on your site and / or remember it. Some comments made here would not make a jot of difference to this aim.

Hope this gives a different point of view to this debate.

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Post by garvinhicking » Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:51 pm

Jonitrush,

many thanks for your response! Actually, what you replied, was what we were actually looking for.

Basically, David's logo is what we want to stick with. Minor improvements will surely be made thanks ot the feedback we received so far. This posting was mainly made to see if the public can identify itself with our logo idea at least better than the current logo, so that when we switch presentation, nobody is all to offended. I think this thread shows, that this will not be the case, so it is basiccaly an "affirmative" for us proceeding in this direction.

What you describe is actually a weakness in OpenSource projects - Developers/Leaders want to involve the public, but once that is done, the diversity of opinions is hard to bring to a central point.

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Post by RobA » Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:16 pm

"Learn from others' experiences"

Since someone else brought up the Joomla logo, I'd like to point out the Joomla logo and usage guide that was developed for it:

http://www.joomla.org/content/view/259/70/

There is some really good insight in it, and general purpose information on logo's, logotype and usage. Alot of things being discussed here - brand identiti, etc.

BTW they chose their logo via a competition - not that I am suggesting that...it is a big headache and nightmare to run a logo contest...'cause everyone has their own opinion.


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Post by dale » Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:25 pm

garvinhicking wrote:The simplified logo from snafu does work as infinity symbol, but IMHO it does no longer propagate as an Atom. It is not really recognizable, and would again lead people into confusion. Which is why I think David's current logo is better, because it IS recognizable. Everyone see's it's an atom.


Why does it have to relate to an atom? I am asking, because the atom is exactly why I disliked the originally proposed logo...

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Post by jhermanns » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:06 pm

Why force an atom into the logo? What I would associate with a logo with an atom would be:

- small
- invisible
- not noticable - can't touch this (tm)
- dangerous (what happens if i accidently fission it?)

and some positive things too:

- can be used to put together anything
- it can be very fast

So with s9y being an atom, electrons would be the themes, s9y's core the protons and neutrons the plugins? What molecules do you build with these s9y-atoms?

I know there was a mail that explained what the initial idea behind the atom logo is, but I didn't find it anymore. All I wanted to say is: IMHO, it really (shouldn't | doesn't have to) be an atom.

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